Sol_searchin. 30 Jun '18 “Shucking” refers to removing the drives from external HDDs, because often it’s cheaper than buying the drive directly. They are disgusting when you enter overwrite territory without a S.M.A.R.T secure-erase to reset the damn thing. The space it offers with such a great price definitely puts it ahead of the competition and Western Digital has a good reputation for quality products. Tried wracking my brain over this... Can you help me out. ... Click to expand... found this "WD external HDD drives that have SMR (Shingled Magnetic Recording) drive inside, offer TRIM command support" Link: TRIM Command Support for WD External Drives DC . Price Match Guarantee. The other drives with this # are the UltraStar DC HC530 (14TB), and the upcoming WD140EFFX 14TB Red. 99 $149.99 $149.99. I just bought a 14TB WD Easystore and was hoping for better results but while transferring files, it's capping at 20MBps again and I don't know why. Except if they think (probably correctly) still enough people would be tricked by this. Which makes sense for a data center. It'd make them way better. To add, WD warned against using SMR drives. https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/dtl7zz/comment/f6xzrbe. Western Digital is known for being coy about divulging the technology used inside its consumer products. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Inside the WD Easystore 10TB external devices are 10TB helium-filled SATA III hard drives. Please be informed that the information about the drive is whether use Perpendicular Magnetic Recording (PMR) or Shingled Magnetic Recording (SMR), is not something that we typically provide to our customers. A hot potato: Reports of WD, Seagate, and Toshiba quietly selling SMR disks have been confirmed by the respective manufacturers. Universal connectivity With this drive, you get connectivity with USB 3.0 devices as well as backward compatibility with USB 2.0 devices. Is there someone else on your team who may have this information and would be able to assist me further?". I'd just reply back asking to escalate it to someone who would have more information. The WD Easystore Desktop Hard Drive. We can hypothesize that there is a negative impact, but it is better to show it. AVIO enters about 13.09ms, which is comparable to the 90s, not even. WD Elements / WD easystore; Embedded & Removable Flash; WD ReadyView; Legacy & Other Products; Downloads WD Software; Product Firmware; Product Downloads; Warranty & Returns Warranty Services; Warranty Policy; Data Recovery; Shipping Addresses; Warranty Status; Product Replacement; RMA Status If you ever questioned whether your hard drive uses SMR, then … It's not that easy. Nov 3, 2020 #35 S. Silentbob343 [H]ard|Gawd. Right now it's about the same lowest cost with fewer platters but more complicated heads or old-gen heads but with more platters and helium, and with cheap external drives they probably just use whatever extra parts are on hand on the date of manufacture for the cheapest price. Okay, a little more digging and I noticed on all WD drives the last 3 digits of the R/N corresponds to the drive size. So I picked up quite a few WD Easystore drives and they have all turned out to be WD80EMAZ white drives. Reactions: Samir. The R/N is similar, one letter different, US7SA M 140 instead of US7SA P 140. Give us a drive firmware update that adds it! I find the Easystore disks run quite hot, so I usually have a fan to force air into them Step 1: Buy. This post was inspired by https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/dysqwe/wd_response_12tb_easystores_smr_or_pmr/. I'm afraid that'll just get a canned "If performance and availability is one of your design metrics, we recommend that you look at our enterprise and datacenter product lines.". Think TERRIBLE vs perfectly fine. Thank you for contacting Western Digital Customer Service and Support. Reactions: Legendary Gamer, kirbyrj and whizdumb81. THEY ARE PLAYING THE SAME GAME WITH THE RED INTERNALS . AND it comes into 2 versions - SMR and non-SMR. 4.7 out of 5 stars 23,526. Please be informed that the information about the drive is whether use Perpendicular Magnetic Recording (PMR) or Shingled Magnetic Recording (SMR), is not something that we typically provide to our customers. Admittedly, WD claim the Black P10 can only manage speeds of up to 130MB/s, which is a long way off both the 5Gbit/s (or around 625MB/s) that its USB 3.2 Gen 1 cable can technically accommodate and the 500MB-odd per second speeds offered by its external SSD rivals. Western Digital provides data storage solutions, including systems, HDD, Flash SSD, memory and personal data solutions to help customers capture and preserve their most valued data. Selling an SMR drive in the WD Black line is an insult to the product. 'host-managed' smr drives exist, but hgst is basically the only vendor and paradoxically the drives are more expensive even though they're simpler devices because market segmentation. To start with, the WD Easystore range of hard drives are only available through Best Buy. This allows for cheaper NAS builds. I know WD got in trouble for not disclosing SMR on many of their drives.. Click to expand... No . What I can tell you that the most products shipping today are Conventional Recording (PMR). Thread for reference: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/du0op4/is_the_wd120emfz_12tb_easystore_a_firmwarelocked/, Longer description here: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/57eosc/smr_drives_aka_archive_drives_a_word_of_caution/. IMPORTANT – This Article has been updated on 23/04/2020 with Information Provided by an official statement and hardware breakdown from Western Digital, from their official blog. WD120EMAZ - R/N: US7SAM120 - this appears to be a white label 12TB Red WD120EFAX - which is itself a relabeled UltraStar HC520 spinning at a slower speed (and surely other changes). Also all WD drives that are SMR to this point have claimed TRIM support. WD CONFIRMS 12TB easystore(wd120emfz) NOT SMR. Yea, I guess people say "oh but it's normal for externals, they can't be bothered to track what's in each enclosure" (right, they're putting RFIDs on vegetables and using blockchain to track tunas, they can't be bothered to track parts that cost as much as some washing machines, give me a break, people are making a profit by selling 99 cents stuff on Ebay, including postage, ebay+paypal fees) but this is completely the wrong track. SMR is 2TB and up. I guess I'll have to "sadly" accept this fact and that my drive does not support TRIM. The WD SMR disks support TRIM! Our data shows that the disk drives WD 8TB Easystore WD80EZAZ are NOT based on SMR technology, the disk drives are based on CMR. Model and Specs. I recently just shucked my first WD 8TB Easystore and despite what I have read on the internet, I don't believe my "White label" 8TB drive is a WD Red drive. WD Easystore WDBCKA0040HBK - hard drive - 4 TB - USB 3.0 overview and full product specs on CNET. do you suppose because it could be either one, and they don't want to commit one way or the other? One dead giveaway that it is indeed SMR is that it supports TRIM. No surprise.WD's actually worse than Seagate when it comes to giving people information regarding their products. If you cannot find a non-SMR drive in that capacity range, then either live with the reduction in performance or use multiple smaller drives to get the capacity you need. Included WD Discovery™ software 2 makes it easy to back up your photos, videos, and documents to the easystore portable drive. But it is not recommended to use SMR drives for applications with significant load (for example in NAS boxes or for 24x7 use). That’s most likely why WD formatted this way from factory. Is this the SMR? I do also have a WD 8TB RED drive that I'm almost certain is a CMR that could be used to backup at least some of the stuff from the NAS. It develops, manufactures and provides storage devices, data center systems, and cloud storage services to solve the evolving needs of the information technology industry. So I don't believe these are SMR. That would really help members understand what they are getting. Since WD isn't giving much information about these here's what I know. The WD Elements Desktop Hard Drive. Although cheaper than the WD Easystore Desktop hard drive, there isn’t a great deal of difference and it is still a little pricey. Value For Money. I've done some investigation and can't find any concrete evidence that the WD60EFAX is SMR. Both the 12 and 14TB have been reported to be the same WD white as the 8/10TB (red equivalents) Edit: here's one 12 TB conversation showing it was a WD120EMFZ . like this. All other HDDs in these series use different recording technology called CMR or conventional magnetic recording. With up to 14TB 1 capacity, there’s plenty of storage space. WD Elements™ portable hard drives with USB 3.0 offer reliable, high-capacity storage to go, fast data transfer rates, universal connectivity and massive capacity for value-conscious consumers. I would avoid them if the cost difference to a non-SMR drive is reasonable. Shucking 8TB WD Easystores. The current blind implementation is dumb as fuck. May 4th 2020 (Updated October 17th 2020) in HDD. https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/dysqwe/wd_response_12tb_easystores_smr_or_pmr/, https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/du0op4/is_the_wd120emfz_12tb_easystore_a_firmwarelocked/, https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/57eosc/smr_drives_aka_archive_drives_a_word_of_caution/. Press J to jump to the feed. Posted by 11 months ago. PMR goes up to 1.67TB/2-sided platter. I guess I'll have to "sadly" accept this fact and that my drive does not support TRIM. 3.0 out of 5 stars 2. It's clear that they aren't going to make a new 6TB drive that has 4 times the cache and it's 110g lighter (one platter less?) WD80EDAZ is the new drive that is being found in the WD 8tb Easystore drives instead of the WD Red WD80EZAZ we are all used to. which WD EasyStore drives come with shingled drives? WD Red 2TB, 4TB and 6TB NAS Hard Drives Use SMR / DM-SMR. Customers who bought this item also bought. This shopping feature will continue to load items when the Enter key is pressed. SMR drives are fine for reading stuff already on the drive, but putting stuff on the drive is the problem as the write speeds can be slow. As for whether either of these are SMR - I have seen no evidence. Perfect for a cheap SMR drive. I've said it before and I'll gladly say it again... SMR drives need a TRIM-Equivalent command to survive as a product so they can discard the unused blocks. In order to get more information about the WD Easystore Desktop drive, you may refer the link mentioned below: http://products.wdc.com/library/AAG/ENG/4078-705144.pdf. Hopefully WD support will still be willing to answer any future questions . I am not sure. It really depends on your use case. We had two main areas of testing. There’s a whole subreddit pretty much about this, r/DataHoarder (of course there is). Yes this appears to share a base model with 14TB drives - meaning it has either been binned or WD is just firmware locking these to 12TB in order to sell to that market. I got mine from Best Buy on sale for $169.99, which seems like a good deal when compared to other WD Red 8TB hard drives and the $299.99 shelf price. 30 Jun '18 ... (except for shingled magnetic recording (SMR) drives, which should be avoided at all costs for the purpose of using the drive in a NAS). Western Digital Corporation, also known as Western Digital and WD, is a famous American computer hard disk manufacturer and provider of various data storage solutions. Good, now let's hope this spreads around the sub as quickly as it did when one guy speculated that the drive might be SMR (based on who knows what) and it became fact for a couple of weeks. Give us a drive firmware update that adds it! Additionally SMR drives contain a proprietary cache due to their slow writes. Testing the WD Red 4TB SMR WD40EFAX Drive. People can spread the truth now and thanks to WD support for confirming. List of all WD firmware and software available for download. 96TB Mediasonic H82-SU3S2 / 72TB Raid 50 on Mediasonic H8R2-SU3S2 It does suck that WD won't tell us one way or the other. I read several articles that the new WD my passport 4TB is smr drive. The other 'evidence' that this drive is SMR is that it weighs less than the WD60EFRX and has more cache - but neither of these necessarily mean SMR - it's possible they just moved to higher density platters. Updated table : 23/04/2020 … Or is it PMR?? ", Your competitors seem more willing to provide this info however, so I may need to reconsider my options. WD claimed some SMR drives were CMR. List of WD CMR and SMR hard drives (HDD) Updated table : 23/10/2020. I sent WD an email asking whether the drive was SMR or PMR, and... Well obviously they avoided answering the question. WD has been caught fudging specs more than a few times, just one more reason I prefer Seagate. More Buying Choices $101.20 (48 used & new offers) Western Digital 4TB WD Gold … The only 8TB drives WD sells are red, purple and gold. WD Discovery software can also be used to manage your drive settings like reformatting, LED control and more. Close. Perhaps they intend on replacing the 12TB easystores with SMR drives eventually. The Ultrastar DC HC620. So thank you WD for replying my questions and had to sadly inform me the fact that I don't have a SMR drive. Write speeds are crazy slow. The WD40EFAX is the only SMR drive in the comparison and is the focus of the testing. The 12 TB Easystores contain one of two drive models: The WD120EMAZ and the WD120EMFZ. Any resilver/rebuild is literally 2MB/s on a good day, and usually 250KB/s, when read-writing to an area you've used before. The R/N is similar, one letter different, US7SA M 140 instead of US7SA P 140. Jim Salter - … WD Easystore is Plug and Play Direct Attached Storage external drive. The selling point on the SMR drives seems to be they use quite a bit less power than the CMR versions. It’s written once and never modified. Neither the WD120EMFZ or WD120EMAZ drives I own support TRIM. That's a problem, both for performance and application compatibility. Cookies help us deliver our Services. And tried reinstalling drivers from a power source. The Ultrastar DC HC620. I tried to phrase it as that I'm a customer who wants to use TRIM support and believes I have a SMR drive and mentions the specific model number. WD Elements / WD easystore; Flash intégré et amovible; WD ReadyView; Produits antérieurs et autres produits; Téléchargements Logiciel WD; Micrologiciel de produit; Téléchargements de produits; Garantie et retours Services de garantie; Politique de garantie; Récupération de données Shingled Magnetic Recording (SMR) technology helps hard drive manufacturers to produce HDDs with larger capacity. To setup the … Find low everyday prices and buy online for delivery or in-store pick-up. WD80EDAZ is the new drive that is being found in the WD 8tb Easystore drives instead of the WD Red WD80EZAZ we are all used to. easystore™ desktop storage comes equipped with WD Backup™ software. October 15, 2017, 9:47pm #17. And even that takes way too long. I found this out from a YouTube video by JDM_WAAT published on 7/26/2017 titled "Western Digital Easystore 8TB (WD Red inside) unboxing and shucking. Our data shows that the disk drives WD 8TB Easystore WD80EZAZ are NOT based on SMR technology, the disk drives are based on CMR. I always thought it would, I don't know of any manufacturers that don't mind honoring warranty claims where their product was dismantled and reassembled by the customer. Raid 1 mirror, Do you have 2 x 14TB? 480. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. And it also specifically says in the first link that shucking an external drive will void the warranty, contrary to what many here think (void-if-removed stickers on a seam are cheap, surprised they haven't done that already). WD Easystore 4TB External USB 3.0 Portable Hard Drive WDBAJP0040BBK-WESN -Black. 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